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OVERSCORE "-" ON PIN NAME

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1OVERSCORE "-" ON PIN NAME Empty OVERSCORE "-" ON PIN NAME Mon Mar 27, 2023 4:04 pm

Defran

Defran

Is it no longer possible to put negations in the pins of the subcircuits using the symbol "!", for instance?

Tell me please.



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2OVERSCORE "-" ON PIN NAME Empty Re: OVERSCORE "-" ON PIN NAME Mon Mar 27, 2023 5:05 pm

arcachofo

arcachofo

Is it no longer possible to put negations in the pins of the subcircuits using the symbol "!", for instance?
Yes, why not?

If the Pin name starts by "!" then it shows an overscore, if it is in any other position then nothing changes.

3OVERSCORE "-" ON PIN NAME Empty Re: OVERSCORE "-" ON PIN NAME Mon Mar 27, 2023 5:15 pm

Defran

Defran

In may case with T1618 it is not like that, let me prepare you an example about this...

4OVERSCORE "-" ON PIN NAME Empty Re: OVERSCORE "-" ON PIN NAME Mon Mar 27, 2023 5:53 pm

Defran

Defran

Yes, it works, but not instantly, you have to edit the nagation, save, exit and load again, now it is possible to see de nagation. It is a bit cumbersome.



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5OVERSCORE "-" ON PIN NAME Empty Re: OVERSCORE "-" ON PIN NAME Mon Mar 27, 2023 6:14 pm

Defran

Defran

Creating a subcircuit, the overscores appear except in the clock pin with the format ">!CP" (With the idea that only CP has negation. It also happens with the nomination of a pin up/down in a counter: UP/!DW, in order that only DW has negation)

And then when this subcircuit is used in the schematic, the overscores NEVER appear.

Attached subcircuit and test schematic.

Tell me please.

OVERSCORE "-" ON PIN NAME Ff_tes13

OVERSCORE "-" ON PIN NAME Ff_tes14
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6OVERSCORE "-" ON PIN NAME Empty Re: OVERSCORE "-" ON PIN NAME Wed Mar 29, 2023 9:15 am

Defran

Defran

Arcachofo, do you need more tests about this item?

7OVERSCORE "-" ON PIN NAME Empty Re: OVERSCORE "-" ON PIN NAME Wed Mar 29, 2023 12:30 pm

arcachofo

arcachofo

Yes, it works like this:

- If the Pin name starts by "!" then it shows an overscore, and the first "!" is removed.
- If the Pin is inverted then it should not start by "!" (it is already inverted), so the "!" is removed.
- If "!" is in any other position then nothing changes.

8OVERSCORE "-" ON PIN NAME Empty Re: OVERSCORE "-" ON PIN NAME Wed Mar 29, 2023 1:00 pm

Defran

Defran

Accordingly, de output pins of a flip flop are called the same: Q, this doesn't make sense. And what about the pins of an up-down counter
to indicate a 1 for UP and a 0 for DOWN? In this case the inscriptios must be UP/DW but DW with overscore. This is the universal system.

The best is to put an overscort on what is to the right of a !. this solves everything, ex.: U/!D

Following this philosophy, all the subcircuits of Simulide components are made...

OVERSCORE "-" ON PIN NAME Cd451010

9OVERSCORE "-" ON PIN NAME Empty Re: OVERSCORE "-" ON PIN NAME Wed Mar 29, 2023 1:25 pm

arcachofo

arcachofo

Accordingly, de output pins of a flip flop are called the same: Q, this doesn't make sense.
In that case you don't set the pin as inverted:
OVERSCORE "-" ON PIN NAME Kk210
OVERSCORE "-" ON PIN NAME Kk310

And what about the pins of an up-down counter
to indicate a 1 for UP and a 0 for DOWN? In this case the inscriptios must be UP/DW but DW with overscore.
You can use: "U/!D".

This is the universal system.
Yes, the "universal" system is that you don't name a pin "!name" and set the pin as inverted at the same time.
Note the pins "SD" and "RD" in the symbols above.

10OVERSCORE "-" ON PIN NAME Empty Re: OVERSCORE "-" ON PIN NAME Wed Mar 29, 2023 1:34 pm

Defran

Defran

Well, it is possible to do it, it is an option. In previous versions of simulide was like this, that it is ok in my opinion. With an improved aesthetic, of course, and only for the pin name that it is functionaly inert.

OVERSCORE "-" ON PIN NAME Cd451011

Give it a couple of more thoughts, surely, as always, you will opt for the best solution.

Thaks for your attention.

11OVERSCORE "-" ON PIN NAME Empty Re: OVERSCORE "-" ON PIN NAME Wed Mar 29, 2023 1:49 pm

arcachofo

arcachofo

Yes, and you see the problems in "!CIn" and "!Cout" in the DIP symbol (and there are more).

12OVERSCORE "-" ON PIN NAME Empty Re: OVERSCORE "-" ON PIN NAME Wed Mar 29, 2023 1:59 pm

Defran

Defran

Well, there will be difficult cases where decisions will have to be made by hand, for example all in capital letters, as in this case of your example. That is left to the artistic ability of the operator.

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